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This has been a very agonizing month for me, on top of personal issues that have required me to focus on an ill son and brother, I have had to attend four funeral this because of the decisions of people who felt so desperate to take their own life. A 15, 19, 42 and 59 year old people, why do I mention their ages, simply because suicides strike at all ages, they do not have to emotional or psychological issues affecting them, in fact the 15 year old was as a result of a bullying incident that happened over the summer and the 19 year old felt he had no future in life. The 59 year old due to continued health issues. As I read all your posts, I deal with the thought that at times, a very close family member teeters on the brink of such ideas at times, I continue to support him, encourage him to discuss this with professionals and hope that each day as he wakes up to start another day, that he can find peace within himself to struggle through life's challenges.

Culturally, from my mother's side, ritual suicide is accepted, I won't go into the cultural aspect of why some Japanese people adhere to the thought of it, but I do understand the ritual aspect of atonement and know that without honor, most Japanese cannot face another Japanese without it. Like I said, its cultural, trust me and I am not trying to make light of the subject, but I think I understand my mother than most people, and understand how frustrated she has become at her age. I will not deny that when I left for a certain place, I discussed the options with my spouse in the event that I would have been captured, not something you want to discuss with your love, but something that had to be addressed considering the situation and who we were combatting. For those that know me, you know I would never dishonor my country, my family or ask succor from my enemy.

Why did I decide to take time to comment on this thread, simply, as Alabaster said, think of the loved ones that are picking up the pieces and left blaming themselves what they could have done to stop it. I know that is what everyone is saying for all four of these lovely people. I know that the 15 year old just was in my class and now I am heartbroken that I did not instill enough in her to prevent this awful decision. As for the 19 year old, my entire family is saddened and can only support his grandmother each day, because this young man was such a good soul and respectful to his family.

I can't speak of what resources are out their, each state has an intervention hotline, at a minimum call 211. They have a list of resources out their that can help people, but don't wait, if you know someone is talking about it, whether the person is faking it or not, its a time to intercede, who knows you might help someone. Locally, our city has a great mental health program that helps regionally people desperate for mental health care.

As for after TSHF, I agree rates will go through the roof, people will become desperate or despondent. I placed a PDF a while back in the medical forum, download it for your own references or just go out their and find resources to collect on your own. While I agree much has been written on PTSD, much of the same clinical protocols are used for those suffering from non-PTSD signs/symptoms (minus withdrawing said person from the combat situation).

Also, thank you Alabaster for stating getting involved in awareness marches or donating...these are simple things that don't take too much time out of your life. Thanks again Prepper Nurse for the video.
Silent Bob, words cannot express how grateful I am for your comments. 4 suicides this month........how unbelievably devastating...thank you so much for showing very clearly how all ages can be overwhelmed with pain & challenges. As our challenges increase in severity, duration, and frequency, the pain experienced by some individuals has the potential to push them past the breaking point. We need to talk to one another about suicide, we need to let people know that we will not make it worse for them, that we care, and that we're not afraid to have a conversation about it, just as you've done right now Silent Bob. And above all, after someone has committed suicide, after grieving & self-reflection, we let them go. How blessed those 4 individuals were to have you in their life :) Thank you as well for the heads up about the PDF - I will access that resource now.
 
I have mixed feelings on suicide. If I was diagnosed with an incurable cancer,I wouldn't have a problem with ending the pain. The problem with this though, are the people who take a gun and blow their brains all over the wall. Some poor friend or family member is going to be traumatized, and someone has to clean the mess up. If I am ever faced with the situation personally I will write notes telling my loved ones how I feel about them, make sure all my legal affairs are in order, put on a diaper, and take some really good mix of pain meds/patches. There are very few things I think are worth throwing your life away over. Love, money, material things, none of these are even close to good reasons, like seasons they come and go. I know it's not a popular opinion in this country, but I'm a proponent for euthanasia. I think if you have a medical condition that's going to end painfully and slowly a doctor should be able to help you go out with peaceful diginity. I am disturbed by the recent loss of robin Williams. I have never suffered from chronic depression, and can only imagine how difficult it can be for someone. I feel for his loved ones and hope for their peace.
 
I have mixed feelings on suicide. If I was diagnosed with an incurable cancer,I wouldn't have a problem with ending the pain. The problem with this though, are the people who take a gun and blow their brains all over the wall. Some poor friend or family member is going to be traumatized, and someone has to clean the mess up. If I am ever faced with the situation personally I will write notes telling my loved ones how I feel about them, make sure all my legal affairs are in order, put on a diaper, and take some really good mix of pain meds/patches. There are very few things I think are worth throwing your life away over. Love, money, material things, none of these are even close to good reasons, like seasons they come and go. I know it's not a popular opinion in this country, but I'm a proponent for euthanasia. I think if you have a medical condition that's going to end painfully and slowly a doctor should be able to help you go out with peaceful diginity. I am disturbed by the recent loss of robin Williams. I have never suffered from chronic depression, and can only imagine how difficult it can be for someone. I feel for his loved ones and hope for their peace.
Thank you so much Brent for sharing your thoughts. The very big decisions with the very big impacts are sometimes far from black and white. I agree about Robin - it's disturbing to know that someone with all those resources, all those people who loved him, world experts who would jump to help him, all the money to live a comfortable, luxurious life, and it still wasn't enough. It really speaks to the pain people must be in. And that their brain really isn't working properly. When the injury lies in the brain, it's not the same as a healthy brain making a decision about pain in the rest of the body. I really appreciate how concerned you are about your family members - that's true caring.
 
I've had a couple of friends who committed suicide over the years, one of them was over a trivial argument with his OH, I also have a friend who is a paranoid skitsophrenic (sorry about the spelling not sure how you spell it)who asks my advise and then does the opposite!!! it seems you just cant help some people. after TSHTF I am expecting the suicide rate to rocket(in the UK at least) as people wont be able to cope.
I actually think that the suicide rate may go down in shtf. I believe that we as a species need adversity to thrive. We have evolved over hundreds of thousands of years having to scrape and claw our way to becoming the top predator on the planet. Then, bam, along came the twenty first century, and all of a sudden we are living in amazing comfort and luxury. And yes, even the poor in this country have it amazingly good compared to humans throughout history. We are taught, especially in the states, that when you are a financial success, everything will be wonderful. Well, look at all the people in this country that had achieved riches and fame, and then realized they are just as malcontent as they were before their success. How many either overdosed on drugs (which is often a form of sucicide) or killed themselves in some other way. I'm far from an expert on human emotions, but it's pretty plain to me that we as a species need a struggle, or goal to reach for. I honestly think we are most content during the hard work towards the goal than after achieving it. I believe that after shtf, day to day life will be filled with so much work that most will not have the luxury of being bored and depressed. Now, as I said, I am far from an expert on people's emotions and I know there are such extremes from mild malcontent to severe depression, so no shoe fits every situation. But I really believe if you're focused on struggling to live, you won't have time to ponder dying.
 
I believe the suicide rate will rocket, many a time I have been told on forums "I don't want to survive if I cant have(the latest mobile, tablet, pc, foreign holidays, upmarket lifestyle, coffee to go, wine bars, theatre etc.etc.), many will take the quick way out.
 
I actually think that the suicide rate may go down in shtf. I believe that we as a species need adversity to thrive. We have evolved over hundreds of thousands of years having to scrape and claw our way to becoming the top predator on the planet. Then, bam, along came the twenty first century, and all of a sudden we are living in amazing comfort and luxury. And yes, even the poor in this country have it amazingly good compared to humans throughout history. We are taught, especially in the states, that when you are a financial success, everything will be wonderful. Well, look at all the people in this country that had achieved riches and fame, and then realized they are just as malcontent as they were before their success. How many either overdosed on drugs (which is often a form of sucicide) or killed themselves in some other way. I'm far from an expert on human emotions, but it's pretty plain to me that we as a species need a struggle, or goal to reach for. I honestly think we are most content during the hard work towards the goal than after achieving it. I believe that after shtf, day to day life will be filled with so much work that most will not have the luxury of being bored and depressed. Now, as I said, I am far from an expert on people's emotions and I know there are such extremes from mild malcontent to severe depression, so no shoe fits every situation. But I really believe if you're focused on struggling to live, you won't have time to ponder dying.
That's a VERY interesting way of looking at - there's so much truth to what you say - I haven't thought of it that way before. I think you're bang on when you say that we need a struggle or goal to strive for, we're most content as we work toward a goal, and we may be so busy we won't have time for a lot of reflection. It may depend on the degree of difficulty of the challenges we face. So long as we feel that we have the resources to meet the challenge, the drive to live may indeed carry us through. Thank you so much for your comment!
 
I believe the suicide rate will rocket, many a time I have been told on forums "I don't want to survive if I cant have(the latest mobile, tablet, pc, foreign holidays, upmarket lifestyle, coffee to go, wine bars, theatre etc.etc.), many will take the quick way out.
I can see why you feel that way given what people are posting! Holy smokes!! It's hard to know how many will have the courage to take their own life - some may just give up and wait to die, instead of actively taking their own life.
 
yes, way back in WW2 the British people would work together towards a common aim(defeating the enemy in this case) but that was 75 years ago and the population has now changed and not for the better. I don't believe the various factions would work together in the same way, we have different ethnics, religions and attitudes in the country these days, not forgetting the "something for nothing welfare" never done a days work in their lives brigade. most people will sit around and wait for someone or something to save them and unfortunately they will wait too late. it might not be suicide that takes them although I believe some will go this route rather than suffer starvation and dehydration but the end result will be the same.
 
I can see why you feel that way given what people are posting! Holy smokes!! It's hard to know how many will have the courage to take their own life - some may just give up and wait to die, instead of actively taking their own life.
To me that is the most depressing idea, to just give up and wait to die. I can't imaging not working to make it. I do think you're right about it taking courage to actually take your own life.
 
yes, way back in WW2 the British people would work together towards a common aim(defeating the enemy in this case) but that was 75 years ago and the population has now changed and not for the better. I don't believe the various factions would work together in the same way, we have different ethnics, religions and attitudes in the country these days, not forgetting the "something for nothing welfare" never done a days work in their lives brigade. most people will sit around and wait for someone or something to save them and unfortunately they will wait too late. it might not be suicide that takes them although I believe some will go this route rather than suffer starvation and dehydration but the end result will be the same.
I've read the works of Winston Churchill, and he personifies to me the British spirit from WW2- tough and tenacious - "we will fight on the seas and oceans...we will never surrender." I bought Supertramp's album and listened to the song that contained some of that speech over and over again. So sad that things have changed so much in England :( Although I think they've changed many places too. We're in for a very rude awakening.
 
To me that is the most depressing idea, to just give up and wait to die. I can't imaging not working to make it. I do think you're right about it taking courage to actually take your own life.
Agreed! To just give up and wait to die. Ugh :( Thankfully I think there will be a mix. The proportions I think we'll have to look back on to discover.
 
I've read the works of Winston Churchill, and he personifies to me the British spirit from WW2- tough and tenacious - "we will fight on the seas and oceans...we will never surrender." I bought Supertramp's album and listened to the song that contained some of that speech over and over again. So sad that things have changed so much in England :( Although I think they've changed many places too. We're in for a very rude awakening.
the bit I always remember is "we will fight them on the beaches, we will never surrender".
 
I've read the works of Winston Churchill, and he personifies to me the British spirit from WW2- tough and tenacious - "we will fight on the seas and oceans...we will never surrender." I bought Supertramp's album and listened to the song that contained some of that speech over and over again. So sad that things have changed so much in England :( Although I think they've changed many places too. We're in for a very rude awakening.
There's no doubt, the younger generation isn't as tough as they were in ww2. I hope that the fight instinct is still there, for all our sakes. I think we've all had fairly easy lives since the 60's. And yes, supertramp is awesome.
 

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